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May 23 11 4:06 PM
buzzard wrote:Someone should probably mention to doofus that there is this little thing called "extradition". Leaving the state won't stop Utah from coming and getting yer arse if they feel like bringing charges.
May 23 11 4:16 PM
Stacie wrote:Mstee - I think Meri DID agree with Mariah, but I also think Kody has more of a say then they'd led us to believe prior. And I kind of got the feeling last night that maybe in extreme instances he might use the wives against each other....the "your sister wife" comment to Christine about Janelle was probably not the first time he's pulled that. I did like that she fired back with "YOUR WIFE!"Hell, Meri didn't do anything wrong. She's married to the doofus, she could have stayed with Mariah to finish out the school year. Kody, I think, is the only one that might get into trouble. But I honestly don't think the authorities were really going to do anything..... Meri's still my favorite....she may have grown up plyg but she's the most realistic and down to earth, along with Janelle. Although Janelle was a little panicky.And - what's been bugging me all night....what did they do with the dogs and cats and whatever other animals they had? I hope to God they didn't leave them behind and figured they'd call the relatives later to deal with them. And for the kids....losing pets in a time of stress can make it a lot worse. Unfortunately I don't get the feeling that Kody is all warm and fuzzy toward the pets though so not hopeful. Seeing him be a jackass with that young, inexperience gelding when the other daughter got thrown clinched it. He knew that she wasn't ready to ride that horse, and he should have been watching to make sure none of the kids climbed on him. That was totally parental error, not the horses. Hell, there are very few 4 year old horses that I would ride outside of an arena, and I have horses!And - do they own the house in Lehi??? Or was that a rental? I'm sure another family didn't wait too long to move it....
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May 23 11 5:18 PM
Austin wrote:One of the reasons that I believe that the authorities are so lax with this issue now is because of the crackdown in the 1950s. Law enforcement overplayed their hand and the images of children being pulled from their mothers' arms did not go over well with the American people, despite what many people thought of the mormon religion or polygamy. Yes, they do prosecute the Greens and the Jeffs in FLDS-land because those situations involved underage girls. This is not the same situation.I think Kody is a big blowhard doofus who is also a bit of a drama queen.
May 23 11 5:35 PM
lovefromgirl wrote:Austin wrote:One of the reasons that I believe that the authorities are so lax with this issue now is because of the crackdown in the 1950s. Law enforcement overplayed their hand and the images of children being pulled from their mothers' arms did not go over well with the American people, despite what many people thought of the mormon religion or polygamy. Yes, they do prosecute the Greens and the Jeffs in FLDS-land because those situations involved underage girls. This is not the same situation.I think Kody is a big blowhard doofus who is also a bit of a drama queen.It didn't go over too well the second time, with the YFZ ranch raid... has it been years by now? Not very many, not more than five. The trouble with a selectively-enforced law is that someday, someone may decide to start enforcing it. Leaving enforcement to the discretion of the local enforcers kind of troubles me, truth be told. If it's a crappy law, take the law off the books and put up a new law that does what you mean it to do. The power comes from the legislation, not just the people enforcing the legislation.
May 23 11 7:16 PM
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May 24 11 8:40 PM
Fat Actress wrote:Okay, I may be totally crazy here, but I kinda wonder if Janelle is a lesbian and perhaps has a thing for Meri. Her story could be interpereted as doing anything she could to be close to Meri. *shrug* It's a thought that keeps bugging me.
May 24 11 8:52 PM
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May 24 11 9:04 PM
DidiKeppel wrote:the browns might not live on a compound or anything, but they ARE FLDS, I remember reading an article where Kody said that if I can find it I'll pass it on.
in other news *laughing* i have almost no problems with the "sister wives" family, i think it's their choice, i don't feel any of them were forced into it, and i am not even sure i believe it is morally wrong.
May 24 11 9:23 PM
May 24 11 10:26 PM
justanotheropinion wrote:Yes, the Apostolic United Breathern is fundamentalist. There are different sects and versions of FLDS, the AUB explicitly do not condone and even punish (by excommunication and police action) anyone who practices or agrees with child/spousal abuse (including child brides) But they are not the same sect of FLDS as those associated with Warren Jeffs and the compounds in BC/Arizona/Utah. I think its interesting all 4 sister wives chose this option even when some of them did not grow up in a plyg household
May 24 11 10:54 PM
May 24 11 11:17 PM
the browns might not live on a compound or anything, but they ARE FLDS, I remember reading an article where Kody said that if I can find it I'll pass it on.
May 24 11 11:56 PM
May 25 11 12:19 AM
deelaem wrote:How can anyone be against patriarchal religions and yet be "for" this Kody yahoo and plural marriage? I don't object to it on any religious grounds, I object to it on the grounds that is exploitive to women and children. Those women are treated like prize cattle and have learned to be happy with crumbs of attention from him. Their marriage is all about him and his image and nothing about true intimacy and partnership between equal adults.
May 25 11 7:26 AM
May 25 11 7:27 AM
lovefromgirl wrote:deelaem wrote:How can anyone be against patriarchal religions and yet be "for" this Kody yahoo and plural marriage? I don't object to it on any religious grounds, I object to it on the grounds that is exploitive to women and children. Those women are treated like prize cattle and have learned to be happy with crumbs of attention from him. Their marriage is all about him and his image and nothing about true intimacy and partnership between equal adults.It's like this:Kody et al. are all consenting adults. No matter what I think of Kody, at the end of the day, I can't say I believe the law is correct regarding his marriage, or my own partnership for that matter. Kody's an ass! So are a lot of polyamorous pagan guys! To my knowledge, no abuse is taking place; the women chose to be there, without their daddies putting them through a courtship/betrothal/whatever the hell it's fashionable to call it these days.This is a matter of religious freedom as much as it is one of sexuality. I believe in the right to practice as you will, so long as your practices don't hurt anyone else. It's clear to me from what we're given that if these women are unhappy, they are the ones keeping themselves unhappy. As for the children, nobody is cramming this down their throat as the way to be. They already have a leg up on patriarchal/Quiverfull kids. The kids are fed, clothed, and parented multiple times over; certainly they have more parents than the average child, even a child of divorce whose parents have both remarried. They're taking flack for the media circus their lives have become. In that respect, the Browns are shitty parents. These kids' home lives did not need to be exposed in such a public way. That's still a far cry from the abusive practices espoused by the Pearls and their ilk, and certainly no reason for them to be yanked by CPS. (And before you wonder: I can get this verified by a social worker in my state.)And it is a matter of sexual freedom as much as it is one of religion. The government can stay the hell out of my bedroom, and if I want that right for myself, I've got to want it for everyone, provided, again, that it's all consenting adults. I'll defend the rights of the Browns because if I don't, I'm essentially saying I'm good with the crap that goes down in the name of preserving the status quo: one man and one woman per marriage. I'm not good with it. I am, in fact, sometimes bitter that I cannot legally marry the one man I trust enough to bother with, but I understand that my country is not there yet. I want it to get there. I want to not have to worry whether, someday, being openly polyamorous is going to limit my career because the only notion anyone has of poly- anything is the mental image of young girls in pastel dresses married to wizened old men with umpteen other wives lined up behind them. The Tasty Beloved is still deeply closeted about it for similar reasons.That's my reality. Forgive me if I can sympathize, even with someone as unpalatable as Kody, over the desire to exist freely in this supposed land of freedom.
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