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May 20 11 6:32 AM
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May 20 11 8:07 AM
as for the Ezzo thing, I have NEVER heard of them until coming to my current church, and the people I heard it from came from North Carolina. Almost all of the SGM related Ezzo stuff I have heard came from the south, so Pearl if you are able to confirm or deny that your family members went to a southern church I'd love to know. :-)We were in a church where the pastor and his wife authored "Raising Children who Hunger for God", we were told before church conferences with other SGM (PDI) churches that parents needed to be vigilant in their spanking and such at the conference because people would would be looking at the children of this church as a reflection of the pastor and his wife. So, we had our own issues. This pastor was later removed from authority because of his pride, and his daughter eloping behind his back while he was away at a leader's conference. :-p He is now a VERY VERY VERY different man from what I am told. Another fave in our church 'cause Larry Tomazack was a pastor there for awhile was "God, The Rod, and Your Child's Bod" which I 100% believed meant bottom as a kid. *laugh* The submission thing.... it IS taken too far IMO in many of the churches - especially older ones where the old mindset is still hard to get rid of. I believe in submission to your husband in the same way I believe in husbands respecting their wives. I think the 99% of the time it's a 'team effort" and you make decisions together, and when you reach those points where either A: The wife is heading down a bad path or B: the husband and wife just cannot reach a consensus on something then it's the hubby's job to make a decision on what is best in that case. But...then again if the hubby and wife can't reach a consensus then they need to seek outside help and get thoughts and opinions from others, and if most people are saying one thing and either hubby or wife is the only dissenter then probably that one spouse needs to "submit" to the majority. And in all of the cases of the husband "leading" his wife away from bad choices it's things where she is hurting herself by her decisions and it's him coming along side saying "Honey, this is hurting you, maybe we should do xyz", but I can come up with the same cases for a wife seeing her husband making poor choices for himself and saying the same thing. *shrug* I had a pastor tell me recently that we are the most egalitarian you can be and still call yourself complementarian. ;-) (still can't spell it sorry! ) He is talking about putting female worship leaders on the team, not singers, worship leaders. And believes that unless the bible says something is strictly a pastor's job then a woman can do it. So, essentially aside from preaching and maybe a couple of other things a woman can do any role in the church.
EDITED TO SAY: My pastors are actually more "liberal" than me in many ways. :-p :-)
You'll have to pardon me if I don't think Josh Harris coming more to the forefront is a great improvement. His book and resulting "media tour" is rather a handbook for the courtship paradigm which many of us recognize as so insidiously harmful. And I don't think Mahaney is anywhere close to handing over the sceptor to anyone.As far as the rest of what you have to say, firstly, complemenetarian = patriarchal. Complementarian is a nicer word, but they both mean the same thing. By virtue of the Y chromosome and that alone, the man should be the head of the wife, end of story. Whether he gives you the opportunity to put your two cents in 99% of the time or 49% of the time is irrelevant. A woman in a complementarian marriage is NOT a full partner because full partners have equal amounts of influence and power in the relationship. The fact that your pastor is "nice" or "liberal" enough to consider putting women in positions of worship leaders doesn't exactly wow me, if you get my drift. Srsly???? ::Huge eye rollage::. That's really big of him, Didi.
On a lighter note, have fun at Disney.
May 20 11 8:10 AM
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